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General Discussion / Re: Modern day stoic thoughts on Ferguson?
« Last post by MamaLiberty on November 26, 2014, 12:53:12 pm »
but how can anyone provide any advice on how to live the good life without using should?

Depends on who is getting the advice, and if they want it or not. "The good life" is a very subjective thing. What makes anyone qualified to insist on a definition for anyone but themselves?  And "should" can be very benign, or can be very intrusive. If you have some way to enforce it, that's aggression. Otherwise, it's just a word and the "advice" can be accepted or rejected.
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General Discussion / Re: Modern day stoic thoughts on Ferguson?
« Last post by aakelley on November 26, 2014, 11:17:41 am »
OK, interesting point.  Did you watch the video or base your comments on my (meager) transcription?  I don't get the sense that he is saying "should" in the way the state does (and in fact he may not even use that word).  Rather, I think he is trying to give a prescription for real change that is based on self knowledge.  I understand and agree that its trouble when anyone combines we and should, but I am struggling to understand how anyone can give any moral advice without should.  Of course its NEVER justified to back up the "should" with violence or the threat of it, but how can anyone provide any advice on how to live the good life without using should?
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General Discussion / Re: Modern day stoic thoughts on Ferguson?
« Last post by MamaLiberty on November 26, 2014, 09:53:29 am »
The message that stuck with me is that we keep repeating the same things over and over again and not getting the change we want.  So the question is what haven't we tried?  His answer is we haven't tried spending some time on introspection and understanding who we are (span of control = me).  He says if we all spent time understanding who we are in our bodies we might see some real change.

Who is "we?" What change do "we" want? Aren't there more than a few possibilities?

The real question is how people might be motivated to think about who they are, and the change they wish to see. Very often, however, they have a false idea of who they are and the change they want to see is not what is needed for survival, but is the very stuff of their own destruction if they could only understand it.  So just thinking about it is not very useful.

I suspect it will come down to survival. That's real motivation.
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General Discussion / Re: Modern day stoic thoughts on Ferguson?
« Last post by aakelley on November 26, 2014, 09:30:05 am »
The message that stuck with me is that we keep repeating the same things over and over again and not getting the change we want.  So the question is what haven't we tried?  His answer is we haven't tried spending some time on introspection and understanding who we are (span of control = me).  He says if we all spent time understanding who we are in our bodies we might see some real change.
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General Discussion / Re: Modern day stoic thoughts on Ferguson?
« Last post by MamaLiberty on November 26, 2014, 08:46:50 am »
Can you summarize the video a bit, aakelley? I am not able to understand much of what people say on videos. Mostly deaf.
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General Discussion / Modern day stoic thoughts on Ferguson?
« Last post by aakelley on November 26, 2014, 05:59:28 am »
My wife shared this with me this morning during our discussion about the goings on in Ferguson.  I like what he has to say (in this video at least - haven't explored his channel yet so not a general endorsement) and it occurred to me that he might be a stoic (although he may not realize it):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQgNrnWZVSI

Agree or disagree?
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General Discussion / Re: We
« Last post by jamie on November 22, 2014, 08:22:31 pm »
thanks I'd never heard of it.

written in 1920-21


from amazon

A superb new translation of the classic dystopian novel Set in the twenty-sixth century AD, Zamyatin's masterpiece describes life under the regimented totalitarian society of OneState, ruled over by the all-powerful 'Benefactor'. Recognized as the inspiration for George Orwell's 1984, We is the archetype of the modern dystopia, or anti-Utopia: a great prose poem detailing the fate that might befall us all if we surrender our individual selves to some collective dream of technology and fail in the vigilance that is the price of freedom. Clarence Brown's brilliant translation is based on the corrected text of the novel, first published in Russia in 1988 after more than sixty years' suppression.
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General Discussion / We
« Last post by AZRedhawk44 on November 22, 2014, 05:04:38 pm »
https://mises.org/library/we

Dystopian novel.  Free PDF version on Mises.org.  It predates 1984 and Brave New World, as well as The Gulag Archipelago. 
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General Discussion / Re: Dog heartworm/tick meds?
« Last post by AZBastiat on November 20, 2014, 09:57:53 pm »
I give my ~36 lb Shiba Inu Heartgard. I haven't observed any ill effects.
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