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General Discussion / Re: Civility
« Last post by PistolPackingMomma on July 25, 2015, 11:18:05 am »

I wonder that as well.

You wonder if you're twelve?

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How is it demeaning? Suppose you are in a library and you are reading or concentrating on something and there is someone near you singing loudly, how is demeaning to them to ask them to please not disturb you?

How is it demeaning to come into someone's house (the analogy of a library does not stand; hopefully you don't need me to explain why) and attempt to coerce the behavior of a group of people who were getting along fine until you came along and insisted they change their behavior to suit you?

Seriously?

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I agree. I'm generally against coercion. I generally don't coerce the behavior of others.

Generally?

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I see no harm in asking someone to be polite. I don't tell people to be polite. I don't think anything is wrong with my approach. I have stated on this forum that on other forums I am not treated by others rudely or unkind. So I don't think it is my approach. I have stopped posting new posts to this forum and I am for now only responding to posts directed at me.

There is no harm in asking. There is a good deal of latent hostility in making a thread under the premise that other adults need your benevolent wisdom, when clearly you have no interest in listening to anything you find remotely disagreeable. Whether you intend it or not, your veiled pot shot at the intelligence of this community is pretty damn rude. No one needs your "help" in how to conduct civil discourse. The fact that you aren't getting the respect and treatment you feel entitled to speaks to other issues.

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That's good. I agree with that. Unfortunately there are people who assume that they are always in the right. I do not assume that I am always right. I often try to see things from another person's point of view but perhaps most people don't.  I think the ad hominem attacks on me began after I posted that I believe that the USA was justified in going to war against the Axis states during WWII. Although I may disagree with someone on that issue I would not initiate an ad hominem attack on them because they disagree with me. Some Ancap/Voluntaryists seem to think that there is a "party line" that a "true" Anarchist/Voluntaryist  should subscribe to regarding certain issues. To this day there are people who claim that Rothbard was not an Ancap/Voluntaryist. Maybe it is they who are not.  I believe that  just because one holds the minority view about something doesn't mean one is wrong. The majority has been known to be wrong.

Uh huh.
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General Discussion / Re: Civility
« Last post by PistolPackingMomma on July 25, 2015, 11:05:53 am »
We have a hero member status?
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General Discussion / Re: Civility
« Last post by Edheler on July 24, 2015, 08:49:18 pm »
This thread is boring. Make it stop moderators, I'm begging now.

In true voluntarist fashion the thread is now stickied! :) I think that was a great call to whomever did it.

I have wondered about H. Rearden's intentions for a long time. His posts about historical dates and events always seemed to be all about achieving 'Hero Member' status on the forum. That status is just a function of making 500 posts but I wondered if to him it conveyed a certain credibility. I don't think any of us care about it but it would certainly be something that an agent provocateur might naively believe to be important.
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General Discussion / Re: Civility
« Last post by Nate on July 24, 2015, 04:21:55 pm »
This thread is boring. Make it stop moderators, I'm begging now.
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General Discussion / Re: Civility
« Last post by pelletfarmer on July 24, 2015, 01:00:05 pm »

No one here is under 12 (although one is making me wonder)

I wonder that as well.


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and its demeaning for you to indirectly attempt to influence the behavior of others into something you find more agreeable.

How is it demeaning? Suppose you are in a library and you are reading or concentrating on something and there is someone near you singing loudly, how is demeaning to them to ask them to please not disturb you?



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Even those here who disagree can do so maturely, and without the impulse to coerce the behavior of others through passive aggressive attempts under the guise of "advice".

I agree. I'm generally against coercion. I generally don't coerce the behavior of others.

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If that's too wordy; telling others to be polite just because you want them to isn't going to work, sugar. My four year old doesn't listen to me because I order him to or spank him into compliance; he listens to me because I, in turn, listen to him. If you find it too difficult to cooperate with the adults here, then maybe you need to think about your approach.


I see no harm in asking someone to be polite. I don't tell people to be polite. I don't think anything is wrong with my approach. I have stated on this forum that on other forums I am not treated by others rudely or unkind. So I don't think it is my approach. I have stopped posting new posts to this forum and I am for now only responding to posts directed at me.

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Kind of reminds me of a joke of a woman on a military base who screams in frustration, "I've slept with all the men here and every one of them is a bad lay!"
"Well, ma'am....did you ever stop to think...maybe it's you?"

That's good. I agree with that. Unfortunately there are people who assume that they are always in the right. I do not assume that I am always right. I often try to see things from another person's point of view but perhaps most people don't.  I think the ad hominem attacks on me began after I posted that I believe that the USA was justified in going to war against the Axis states during WWII. Although I may disagree with someone on that issue I would not initiate an ad hominem attack on them because they disagree with me. Some Ancap/Voluntaryists seem to think that there is a "party line" that a "true" Anarchist/Voluntaryist  should subscribe to regarding certain issues. To this day there are people who claim that Rothbard was not an Ancap/Voluntaryist. Maybe it is they who are not.  I believe that  just because one holds the minority view about something doesn't mean one is wrong. The majority has been known to be wrong.

I'm curious...do you view this most recent post of yours as another example of you not writing about yourself and your feelings?

For me personally, the only part I care about is that you fail to distinguish facts from non-facts.  To me, in the context of the internet, nothing else matters.  Nobody can tell who's an asshole in real life and who isn't, just from their written words.  Though you've demonstrated that one can sometimes get a clue!  It still doesn't matter IMO...unless people are going to engage some actual social relationship, all that matters is the spreading of truth and the objection to falsities.

For me the real problem with what you write is that you totally fail to make those distinctions.  For example, I've written both that your take on WWII pretty much reflects the one I've always had, and that I'm skeptical that you're a statist.  Yet your rendition is exactly the opposite.

And so it goes with nearly everything you write, one falsehood after another, with you pretending that it's all just a matter of subjective opinion.  That you continue to insist to write in the plagiarized name of "H. Rearden" is an injustice--both to the truth and to the lady who perhaps has done more than any other person to destroy precisely that POV--well, what can I say...IMO it's an injustice that philosophically would be tough to beat.
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General Discussion / Re: Civility
« Last post by phaed on July 24, 2015, 12:43:08 pm »
...after I posted that I believe that the USA was justified in going to war against the Axis states during WWII. Although I may disagree with someone on that issue I would not initiate an ad hominem attack on them because they disagree with me. Some Ancap/Voluntaryists seem to think that there is a "party line" that a "true" Anarchist/Voluntaryist ...

what you're talking about above was yet another example.  neither anarchism nor voluntaryism are compatable with "the USA", much less sending government controlled standing armies to another land to kill people.  this isn't a "no true scottsman" fallacy; this is pointing out an extremely basic contradiction in core principles.

i'm beginning to wonder if you're a decently gifted troll, if so...respect.
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General Discussion / Re: Civility
« Last post by MamaLiberty on July 24, 2015, 05:51:08 am »
No locking necessary; let this serve as a warning to others that civility and bed-wetting don't mix.

We can hope... but in my experience most bed wetters and whiners don't recognize themselves at all, and so don't benefit from warnings. In any case, maybe we should "sticky" this thread so it will be easier to use as a reference if another troll wanders by. :)
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General Discussion / Re: Civility
« Last post by henschman on July 23, 2015, 10:28:32 pm »
H. Rearden, you come across as either someone who is lacking in social skills, or who is trolling.  Maybe both.  In any case, you are annoying.  That is the reason you get the kind of response you do.
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General Discussion / Re: Civility
« Last post by AZRedhawk44 on July 23, 2015, 04:40:23 pm »
I really want to lock this thread because it's become a case of emotional bedwetting.

I'm not going to.

Just saying that I want to.
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General Discussion / Re: Civility
« Last post by H. Rearden on July 23, 2015, 03:54:35 pm »

No one here is under 12 (although one is making me wonder)

I wonder that as well.


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and its demeaning for you to indirectly attempt to influence the behavior of others into something you find more agreeable.

How is it demeaning? Suppose you are in a library and you are reading or concentrating on something and there is someone near you singing loudly, how is demeaning to them to ask them to please not disturb you?



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Even those here who disagree can do so maturely, and without the impulse to coerce the behavior of others through passive aggressive attempts under the guise of "advice".

I agree. I'm generally against coercion. I generally don't coerce the behavior of others.

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If that's too wordy; telling others to be polite just because you want them to isn't going to work, sugar. My four year old doesn't listen to me because I order him to or spank him into compliance; he listens to me because I, in turn, listen to him. If you find it too difficult to cooperate with the adults here, then maybe you need to think about your approach.


I see no harm in asking someone to be polite. I don't tell people to be polite. I don't think anything is wrong with my approach. I have stated on this forum that on other forums I am not treated by others rudely or unkind. So I don't think it is my approach. I have stopped posting new posts to this forum and I am for now only responding to posts directed at me.

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Kind of reminds me of a joke of a woman on a military base who screams in frustration, "I've slept with all the men here and every one of them is a bad lay!"
"Well, ma'am....did you ever stop to think...maybe it's you?"

That's good. I agree with that. Unfortunately there are people who assume that they are always in the right. I do not assume that I am always right. I often try to see things from another person's point of view but perhaps most people don't.  I think the ad hominem attacks on me began after I posted that I believe that the USA was justified in going to war against the Axis states during WWII. Although I may disagree with someone on that issue I would not initiate an ad hominem attack on them because they disagree with me. Some Ancap/Voluntaryists seem to think that there is a "party line" that a "true" Anarchist/Voluntaryist  should subscribe to regarding certain issues. To this day there are people who claim that Rothbard was not an Ancap/Voluntaryist. Maybe it is they who are not.  I believe that  just because one holds the minority view about something doesn't mean one is wrong. The majority has been known to be wrong.
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