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General Discussion / Re: Freedom vs. Liberty
« Last post by phaed on June 10, 2016, 10:55:16 am »
i think absent context, they are synonymous
General Discussion / Freedom vs. Liberty
« Last post by Zocken on June 10, 2016, 07:32:38 am »
I'm having trouble understanding the difference between freedom and liberty. I've looked both words up in the 1828 dictionary, but they both seem to say they are the absence of restraint or control on an individual's life.

I read somewhere recently that the difference between the two is that liberty is granted, which makes it sound like a "right" to freedom.

What do you guys think?
General Discussion / Re: funny picture thread
« Last post by Zocken on June 08, 2016, 01:13:37 pm »
Evolution / Re: How Paul Bonneau got here
« Last post by Paul Bonneau on June 07, 2016, 08:22:15 am »
I saw Bill's story, and figured I do a thread of my own. I'm interested in others' stories too.

BTW one thing that helped turn me into a raving libertarian, and a supporter of property "rights", was being part of a farm commune, very roughly based on the Mondragon cooperatives. When I saw how that worked (NOT!) I was done with collectivist ideas and behaviorism. It also taught me that people should be allowed to experience what they advocate for. It might tame their ardor a bit...

"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."
-- Will Rogers

BTW some of my other experiences can be found here, where I have collected the links to my articles:
Evolution / Re: How Paul Bonneau got here
« Last post by Zocken on June 07, 2016, 05:46:00 am »
Excellent story,  Paul - thank you!
Evolution / Re: How Paul Bonneau got here
« Last post by MamaLiberty on June 07, 2016, 04:35:50 am »
Congratulations, Paul. :)  Thanks for the testimony.
General Discussion / Re: Human reliability
« Last post by phaed on June 06, 2016, 08:51:09 pm »
some neat stuff, most of which i'd already been subjected to separately.  it's a good compilation.
Evolution / Re: How Paul Bonneau got here
« Last post by Bill on June 06, 2016, 05:53:08 pm »
Huzzah! What a great story, Paul...
Evolution / How Paul Bonneau got there...
« Last post by Paul Bonneau on June 06, 2016, 02:24:33 pm »
I was born in Wisconsin, typical conservative Catholic/Democrat family. Went to both parochial and government schools. I noted early on how inferior the latter were.

Dad moved around the country, working for newspapers in the circulation department. He spent a lot of time negotiating with unions like the Teamsters.

I joined the Marine Corps in 1968 after graduation, completely bought into the government narrative. I wanted to save America from the commies, and to become a man too. Didn't get sent to Viet Nam but talked to plenty who did. I did a complete turn around and started reading such books as "Soul on Ice" and "Autobiography of Malcolm X". I was prepared to fly to Canada if they decided to send me to Viet Nam, but it didn't happen. Also started smoking pot and learning about such useful government projects as the War on Drugs. Got out with an honorable discharge, barely.

In my twenties I was an inconsistent mix of Democrat and pro-liberty. Spent a lot of time trying to help the "right" people into office. It didn't seem to work; we were always betrayed. This experience prompted an article I later wrote:

I finally could not stand the D's any more, and R's were just as bad, so I went with Ross Perot's party for a short while. Even registered to run in the legislature. Then I quickly bailed and went for the LP.

The Libertarians were an interesting bunch. There were internecine battles among the factions, fighting over nothing that made sense to me. They insisted I read Ayn Rand to properly get with the program. It took me several attempts but I finally made it through "Atlas Shrugged". It seemed a Gothic romance for capitalists. However the non-aggression principle made sense to me.

Eventually I figured out that the LP did not accomplish much, other than facilitating the election of the most statist major party candidate in any given election, by siphoning off the pro-liberty votes. So I bailed.

I long had a project of writing letters to the editor, primarily about gun rights and "edjoocashun". A few experiences in that sphere finally showed me that mainstream media is a propaganda operation. My writing tapered off, and transferred over to the uncontrolled environment of the Internet.

My last gasp within the system (I was a minarchist at that point) was the Wyoming Liberty Index:  The theory here was that if people could actually see which legislator most attacked liberty, they would vote such out of office. For various reasons, this did not work. Publicity of the Index was poor, and people seem to be pretty cynical about political institutions (no surprises there), and maybe they aren't that interested in liberty after all, a point that simply mystifies me. It was a lot of work with very little apparent return. I finally handed it off to another group, and it seems to have morphed into another tool to get R's into office.

After that I became an anarchist. I became an apostate from the government religion. I guess there was no place else left to go by that point. Process of elimination...
General Discussion / Human reliability
« Last post by Paul Bonneau on June 06, 2016, 01:38:02 pm »
Interesting article. I think this is mostly correct:

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