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General Discussion / Re: Fat Activism
« Last post by MamaLiberty on May 14, 2016, 11:27:06 am »
Lumpy, "food producers" make and sell what people WANT to buy. That includes every product from raw garlic to boxed mac and cheese - and everything else. It is the responsibility of the individual to live with the consequences of his/her choices, and no food manufacturer can force that choice - one way or another. Advertising, taste appeal and nutrient content are completely within the control of the consumer. If they don't care, that's their problem.

Don't want to eat sugar? Then don't... but you can't make choices for anyone else, and neither can Nabisco... I've never, ever seen an Oreo cookie jump out of the package and ram itself down some kid's throat. :)

I don't eat any different now than I have for at least the last ten years. I don't buy much packaged or prepared stuff, but I do use some sugar every day. After being overweight most of my life, in the last year or so I've lost 85 pounds (and continue to lose slowly) making no particular effort to lose weight by any means... so "sugar" isn't the problem.
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General Discussion / Re: Fat Activism
« Last post by Klapton on May 14, 2016, 10:44:56 am »
I'd say that Americans are fat because food producers, like any other company, ultimately exist to perpetuate themselves. That means making their products attractive, and in the case of food that means making it tasty. Which is achieved primarily by adding lots of sugar, fat and salt. There's added sugar in everything, because 3/4 or better of everything in the grocery stores would taste like crap if it wasn't sweetened. For people who are sensitive to sugar, it's like if an alcoholic had to live in a world where almost all food contained at least some alcohol. It is next to impossible to lose 100 lbs and keep it off, so some people just give up and say "yeah, I'm fat, F-U".

As a fat guy who needs to lose 100 pounds but hasn't, I just want to say, "Yeah, I'm fat, F-U."  But I'll say that myself, and don't need a "safe space" to say it, or someone to punish all the mean skinny people who dislike my fat ass.

And I have to agree with Mama that it's not just about disciprine.  While I do have almost none, that's not the only strike against me.  I genetically inherited a metabolism that was inclined to shut down early.  Some of my siblings are doing better at delaying that from happening through discirpine, but they're miserable too.  So what am I supposed to do?

I dunno.  I'm doing my best. 

Oh yeah...  I HATE exercise too.  But even if / when I DO exercise, I get VORACIOUSLY hungry, and end up not losing much weight anyway.

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General Discussion / Re: Fat Activism
« Last post by MamaLiberty on May 14, 2016, 07:12:10 am »
I think this is only part of the problem. It is possible to cut the sugar if you really want to. My family does it. It's all about discipline. If one doesn't have it, they will struggle with weight their entire life.

Sure wish it was really that simple. :) It's not.
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General Discussion / Re: Moving to California
« Last post by phaed on May 14, 2016, 12:03:20 am »
with an aching, in your heart?

good luck.  if ya land up north there, i hear it's a bit better.
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General Discussion / Re: Moving to California
« Last post by Bill on May 13, 2016, 06:43:09 pm »
Please keep us apprised, I just moved internally in AZ.
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General Discussion / Moving to California
« Last post by Edheler on May 13, 2016, 06:26:51 pm »
I know I haven't posted much lately. For a while I was working unreasonable hours for my employer and then I suddenly found myself unemployed. I will soon be moving to the very unfree state of California.

I plan, in the soonest future, buying vacation property in Idaho.

Thanks!
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General Discussion / Re: A "Stateless" Man
« Last post by Paul Bonneau on May 13, 2016, 03:42:48 pm »
The tone of the article was a bit too sneering for my taste.

Bottom line, sure life is easier if you just submit. Take the blue pill and fit in. No surprises there.

But I'm glad there are people out there testing the limits, even if I am not one myself in a lot of ways. I certainly don't sneer at them.

Anyway what is wrong with Bratislava? I'd rather live there than, say, Washington DC or New York City.
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General Discussion / Re: Fat Activism
« Last post by Paul Bonneau on May 13, 2016, 03:20:22 pm »
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that kid's wages are still affected by the fact that the market isn't free, and may be the reason you can't find any.  you can't claim the market is free but "beat down" simultaneously.  if it's beat down, there's an external force affecting it, and not free.

Then there can never be a free market, by your definition.

I don't consider that a useful definition. To me a market is free if the participants can make a deal without being taxed or regulated. It's irrelevant how the prices of goods are affected by external factors, be they tornadoes or government regulation somewhere else. There will always be a vast number of factors affecting prices. What matters is if the transaction is taxed or regulated. All black market transactions are free market transactions, as far as I'm concerned, as well as hiring a kid to mow your lawn.
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General Discussion / Re: A "Stateless" Man
« Last post by pelletfarmer on May 13, 2016, 08:01:34 am »
Thanks for that.  There are so many great lines in there (and a few bad ones) that it's too much for a post.

Personally I'm tired of framing everything from the State's POV.  I can see how it happens since the State is everywhere and in everything, but I think the goal's gotta be to build what we wish to see.  If it's all about individual responsibility, and it is, then it's on us to create what we wish.  That's not to say this chap hasn't done that, but it's still all State-focused, even in its absence.

Technically the guy isn't stateless.  He's found some loopholes in the rules that allow him to feel that way, or even be described that way.  But actually BEING that way is a rather different thing IMO.
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General Discussion / Re: Fat Activism
« Last post by Chris on May 13, 2016, 05:18:19 am »
I'd say that Americans are fat because food producers, like any other company, ultimately exist to perpetuate themselves. That means making their products attractive, and in the case of food that means making it tasty. Which is achieved primarily by adding lots of sugar, fat and salt. There's added sugar in everything, because 3/4 or better of everything in the grocery stores would taste like crap if it wasn't sweetened. For people who are sensitive to sugar, it's like if an alcoholic had to live in a world where almost all food contained at least some alcohol. It is next to impossible to lose 100 lbs and keep it off, so some people just give up and say "yeah, I'm fat, F-U".

I think this is only part of the problem. It is possible to cut the sugar if you really want to. My family does it. It's all about discipline. If one doesn't have it, they will struggle with weight their entire life.
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