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> Some even seemed to understand what I was saying, but were not willing to accept it and give up controlling other people's lives - very often as a part of "religious" convictions, I might add.


Q.E.D.  This has been taught for thousands and thousands of years.  I'm not excusing it nor justifying it; I'm only explaining it.  It's easy for people like us to say, "Well, just stop and THINK about it," but a lot of people don't have the ability--more accurately, the willingness--to do just that.  From their earliest cognitive stages, they were taught that it's wrong to do even that.  For crissakes, lots of kids get beaten for using their minds, especially when it's in opposition to their elders.

Plus, it should be noted that left alone, most people don't have any desire to control other people's lives.  The only way the whole scam works is with the collectivism and the attendant belief that there's something greater than themselves.  Very, very few people cause any real trouble at all, and the vast majority will walk away from trouble.  When they assume the role of controller, or controller-supporter, they are genuinely convinced that they're doing good.  It's the ultimate form of morality to them.  They're wise enough to want to do good, but they don't believe they're wise enough to figure out any of it themselves.  And then whaddyaknow...there's an expert right around the corner to tell them exactly how to do it.

It's like the LEO issue.  Except for sadists and intellectual looters, nobody goes into law enforcement to hurt people, or impose tyranny.  With the pablum they've been taught, they honestly believe they're preventing tyranny and helping the innocent.  Or the religionists who want "moral" behavior everywhere...they too genuinely believe that they're making a better world.  And after enough groupthink, they all come to believe that they're actually doing it.

That's why I focus on epistemology.  To me, the only resolution is to understand that there's such a thing as true and false, and that what they believe is false.  That's why I say the really guilty parties are the intellectuals who have taught forever that there's no such thing as true and false.  How in the world can a Regular Joe see the insanity of that in the face of so much expertise that has, on the face of it anyway, stood the test of time?

But don't worry about me, Mama.  I'm just taking a last gasp; I know that hearts have to be hardened.  I'll do everything I can to help prevent the Coming Excitement but when it comes, I'll be as ready as I am able.
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we're simply overflowing with duped fools who are otherwise decent, hardworking folk. 

Ok, but WHY are they "duped" if they have no desire to control others or take what they had not earned? And I'm sure they are all very nice and hard working... But the basic division comes if you ask them if they think they SHOULD have anything to say about the non-aggressive actions of others, or ANY claim on other people's property.

Self owners say no... Nice people who are at base controllers say yes, or worse, no, but government should.... and believe that "society" has the ultimate claim = ownership. That is the basic question: WHO owns your life?

I've talked to thousands of these nice, hard working people. Very, very few have been willing to even consider that they owned themselves totally and were completely responsible for themselves. Some even seemed to understand what I was saying, but were not willing to accept it and give up controlling other people's lives - very often as a part of "religious" convictions, I might add. 

There are people everywhere who are confused at times and don't know what to do about it... but in my experience, THOSE people are not the sort who go out of their way to impose on others in any way, and don't usually look for ways to live off stolen goods.  A different species...
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General Discussion / Re: Mama Liberty
« Last post by phaed on May 12, 2013, 12:24:06 PM »
we were discussing something similar to this the other day at the village lunch...a sheriff running under the platform of only enforcing mala en se laws.  would he have a chance of winning?  i don't think so.  i believe most people want their pet peeves punished, even if it means putting themselves in jeopardy of running afoul of the the pet peeves of others.
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General Discussion / Re: Obama: reject voices warning you of government tyranny
« Last post by phaed on May 12, 2013, 12:16:59 PM »
I'm sure I've oversimplified it.. and I hope you'll forgive me... but I've met and dealt with an awful lot of people in my life and the one thing that stands out is that division... People who are willing/happy to accept stolen goods, and believe that they are entitled to what others produce... I'm afraid I consider them a different species, not just duped fools. What other "purpose" do they have but to live at someone else's expense?

Does it really make any difference what size the predator might be? Is not the smallest virus a deadly danger if it is disease producing... and the largest elephant or whale merely a curious sight if non threatening?

agent smith : humans are a virus
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Well, I have to make allowances since I know you're from California!

That's only half a joke, since some of it is geographical.  Here in Michigan, not nearly as "sophisticated" as the two coasts, we're simply overflowing with duped fools who are otherwise decent, hardworking folk.  BTW that's largely true even in Detroit...a tiny group of thugs caused the riots in '67 and once the collectivists and "sophisticated" thugs took over in the '70s, it was game over.  They rule to this day and like sophisticated thugs everywhere else, it's mind-boggling how much money they grab doing it.
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I'm sure I've oversimplified it.. and I hope you'll forgive me... but I've met and dealt with an awful lot of people in my life and the one thing that stands out is that division... People who are willing/happy to accept stolen goods, and believe that they are entitled to what others produce... I'm afraid I consider them a different species, not just duped fools. What other "purpose" do they have but to live at someone else's expense?

Does it really make any difference what size the predator might be? Is not the smallest virus a deadly danger if it is disease producing... and the largest elephant or whale merely a curious sight if non threatening?

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> They are facilitators, at the very least, and happy to destroy anyone who challenges the status quo.

I understand.  In some ways, it may be even worse than you imply because those facilitators are the sine qua non of the whole problem.  Without them, the tyrants would be but a speck; with them, the tyrants rule.

Still, I think "happy to destroy anyone who challenges the status quo" goes a bit far.  I think they're largely ignorant, not evil.  You shouldn't assume they're operating from the same motivations that you would be, if you were them.  Hell, it's debatable as to whether they have any genuine motivations at all!  At this stage, they're getting to be only borderline human in the first place.


> Even those who think that they should "be free," yet demand the bogus "authority" to control and limit their non-aggressive neighbors.... are no difference from the politician and bureaucrat who makes that his/her life's purpose.


But they are different on that particular attribute---the purpose.  I think that's a big deal when judging another person, though I'll grant you that it may be meaningless when it comes to actual results.  That's why I freely admit that I suck at Pragmatism.  Maybe I'm entirely wrong on the point, but I'm pretty committed to going on Principle.

I get what you're saying---a bullet through the heart does the same whether it comes from a well-meaning man or a tyrant.  But considering that we're trying to attack these problems before the bullets are flying everywhere, I'm inclined to think that some leeway must be given for ignorance and especially for falling for thousands of years of a complete scam.  Otherwise we're denying the role of the mind in all this, and we sure 'nuff don't want to do that.
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Mama's setup of two classes--selfowners and controllers--is accurate but leaves out an important subdivision...the selfowners who recognize it and the selfowners who don't.  Most of the latter are not really controllers IMO, even as they readily go along with them.

I have a big problem with that, PF... All of those who "go along with it," and those who are happy to profit from the theft, are actually controllers in my book. The division is not in how it is implemented, but in the very foundation of self ownership.  Those who are happy being slaves are just as much in the "controller" camp as the task masters. They are facilitators, at the very least, and happy to destroy anyone who challenges the status quo.

You either UNDERSTAND and accept that you own yourself, or you don't. How that plays out is not material to the basic division among people. Those who go along with the thieves and murderers - and hope to be beneficiaries of the loot and control- are no less guilty than those who actually carry it out.

Even those who think that they should "be free," yet demand the bogus "authority" to control and limit their non-aggressive neighbors.... are no difference from the politician and bureaucrat who makes that his/her life's purpose.
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General Discussion / Re: Mama Liberty
« Last post by MamaLiberty on May 12, 2013, 07:15:10 AM »
Mama,

Still wondering if you wouldn't vote for an anarchist for sheriff in the Newcastle area? lol.

An anarchist wouldn't run for sheriff...  :-*

But I did vote for a really nice man who ran for Sheriff last time. We've been friends for years, and I've talked to him at length. He understands at least some things about liberty and justice. He's an "oathkeeper," for whatever that's worth. It was an aberration to vote for anyone, and I freely admit that.  Such is life. :) So far, he's been an outstanding Sheriff, but he's still part of the system, and therefore a part of the problem. 
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Welcome! / Re: Introduce yourself!
« Last post by Bill on May 11, 2013, 10:22:29 PM »
Welcome, JP, hope to see you in the forum.
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