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General Discussion / Re: Anarchy is Against Human Nature
« Last post by libertycalls on April 23, 2018, 08:32:33 pm »
1. yes, but please tell me why you feel I'm wrong
2. not different, go read again. liberty means not being a slave.
3. me owing myself

i do not feel you are wrong.  i am not a woman.  i know you are wrong.  where force is concerned, the NAP is a lack of initiation of it, not a required use of thereof.  for example, a pacifist which follows the NAP isn't congruent with your definition.

That's a better answer than "no". Now I'm confused, why would you change your answer if I was wrong?
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General Discussion / Re: Anarchy is Against Human Nature
« Last post by phaed on April 23, 2018, 07:03:38 pm »
1. yes, but please tell me why you feel I'm wrong
2. not different, go read again. liberty means not being a slave.
3. me owing myself

i do not feel you are wrong.  i am not a woman.  i know you are wrong.  where force is concerned, the NAP is a lack of initiation of it, not a required use of thereof.  for example, a pacifist which follows the NAP isn't congruent with your definition.
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General Discussion / Re: Anarchy is Against Human Nature
« Last post by libertycalls on April 23, 2018, 06:27:49 pm »
1. Isn't NAP a use of force against an illegal action? By illegal I mean against the laws of nature.

2. Duty would be part of a contract that you actually signed. So you're bound by the terms of the contract, but you can cancel at any time.

3. Rights are the freedom we have when there's no government. The exception might be when your rights violate someone else's rights. That freedom is what we need to survive in our natural environment. I believe they come from god, but that's another discussion. Weather or not anyone believes in god, you must believe in the laws of nature if you don't want to die. Not dying is the basis for rights. To not die you must have a person, you must have liberty from slavery, and you must protect your property.

1.  no
2.  different from what you initially said
3.  even with your new tortured definition of rights, there's still a notion of other people and/or nature owing you something.  that's the same problem with the traditional definition of rights.  i got news for ya, they don't owe you anything.

1. yes, but please tell me why you feel I'm wrong
2. not different, go read again. liberty means not being a slave.
3. me owing myself
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General Discussion / Re: Anarchy is Against Human Nature
« Last post by phaed on April 23, 2018, 05:41:38 pm »
1. Isn't NAP a use of force against an illegal action? By illegal I mean against the laws of nature.

2. Duty would be part of a contract that you actually signed. So you're bound by the terms of the contract, but you can cancel at any time.

3. Rights are the freedom we have when there's no government. The exception might be when your rights violate someone else's rights. That freedom is what we need to survive in our natural environment. I believe they come from god, but that's another discussion. Weather or not anyone believes in god, you must believe in the laws of nature if you don't want to die. Not dying is the basis for rights. To not die you must have a person, you must have liberty from slavery, and you must protect your property.

1.  no
2.  different from what you initially said
3.  even with your new tortured definition of rights, there's still a notion of other people and/or nature owing you something.  that's the same problem with the traditional definition of rights.  i got news for ya, they don't owe you anything.
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General Discussion / Re: Quotes: Add your favorite!
« Last post by AZRedhawk44 on April 23, 2018, 11:58:40 am »
Not a quote, but Dave Grohl made my day with this one.

Too much fun and showmanship here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4b6BPaO944
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General Discussion / Re: Anarchy is Against Human Nature
« Last post by libertycalls on April 23, 2018, 08:47:16 am »
1.  defense of others can be a tricky business, at least where the NAP is concerned.  we've discussed it at length here before.  i think it requires perfect knowledge to be legitimate, and that's something anyone rarely has.  in any case, it's not something to be included in a general rule as you've done above.

2.  you're also speaking of duty here.  that word raises my hackles, and for good reason.  to see why, realize that in the above you're telling others what they should do.  that's a statist's position.

3.  you're obviously fond of the concept of rights, since you used the word 7 times in 7 sentences.  for me to begin to consider that what your saying could be true, you'd first need to prove to me that rights exist, describe from which fount they're brought into being, tell me where they reside, and describe their nature precisely.  BLUF...they do not exist.

1. Isn't NAP a use of force against an illegal action? By illegal I mean against the laws of nature.

2. Duty would be part of a contract that you actually signed. So you're bound by the terms of the contract, but you can cancel at any time.

3. Rights are the freedom we have when there's no government. The exception might be when your rights violate someone else's rights. That freedom is what we need to survive in our natural environment. I believe they come from god, but that's another discussion. Weather or not anyone believes in god, you must believe in the laws of nature if you don't want to die. Not dying is the basis for rights. To not die you must have a person, you must have liberty from slavery, and you must protect your property.
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General Discussion / Gringo: The Dangerous Life of John McAfee
« Last post by phaed on April 23, 2018, 03:09:13 am »
...is a documentary on netflix.  i enjoyed it.  you guys might like it either for the interesting subject, or for the ex-pat particulars about Belize.
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General Discussion / Re: Joke of the day
« Last post by phaed on April 22, 2018, 02:59:30 pm »
definition of marriage:  when you love someone so much, you think you need to get the government involved
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General Discussion / Re: Anarchy is Against Human Nature
« Last post by Klapton on April 22, 2018, 01:57:01 pm »
klapton, this third party is telling me i have a duty to protect my employer's rights, whatever that means.  in any case, i do not agree.  therefore, who is correct?

Pttthhttt.  You say to whom your duty extends.  And only you.  If you want to talk about contractual obligations, that a different matter.  Duty is a matter of conscience, and your conscience is your own.  Period.
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General Discussion / Re: Anarchy is Against Human Nature
« Last post by phaed on April 22, 2018, 02:29:35 am »
klapton, this third party is telling me i have a duty to protect my employer's rights, whatever that means.  in any case, i do not agree.  therefore, who is correct?
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